The picture isn’t relevant. It’s just my attempt to add some perspective to the issue. The three shiny dots are (from bottom to top) the moon, Venus, and Mercury.
I’m going to jump on the bandwagon and offer up my two cents about the updated deadly sins – better late than never right?. That’s a lot of clichés.
First of all, does anyone else find it funny that there’s a link on the homepage that says ‘Vatican Secret Archives’? Anyway. Here are the new mortal sins, as listed by the BBC:
Environmental pollution
Genetic manipulation
Accumulating excessive wealth
Inflicting poverty
Drug trafficking and consumption
Morally debatable experiments
Violation of fundamental rights of human nature
And here are the original, or traditional ones:
Pride
Envy
Gluttony
Lust
Anger
Greed
Sloth
I applaud that the Catholic Church wants to use its power to improve the world. And good on them for looking beyond individual failings to problems that whole societies are facing. But wouldn’t it be even better to stop doing these things, rather than confess to doing them? The consequences of polluting the world are more far-reaching than personal damnation. We, and our descendants, have to live on this planet. (Until our space programs are better that is, and even then, I suspect someone will want to preserve the mother-planet.) My point is that saying ’sorry’ to God doesn’t make it all better. If God forgave you in the form of cleaning up an oil spill, maybe. But as it is, if you think pollution is a bad thing to do, don’t do it! And if you do, forget asking for God’s forgiveness and clean it up! I suppose you could do both, and I suppose most people would, but the idea that confession somehow rights the wrong is simply not true. One wonders whether this is about reducing the amount of sin in the world or about increasing the number of bums in confession boxes.
Also, Holly raises the point that, well, you can read it yourself here.
Something I’d like to know is, who picked these new sins? They sound more man-made than divinely inspired to me. If God is perfect and unchanging, why didn’t he warn us about these sins earlier? What about Uncle Joe who died last month without receiving absolution for being excessively wealthy? Or does it not count as a sin until the official announcement? And why didn’t God inform the other denominations too? On the other hand, if the mortal inhabitants of the Vatican came up with them, what weight to they carry? And how can we tell the difference between God-given and Bishop-given anyway?
Whoever it was, they did a good job. Who of us hasn’t committed, however indirectly, one of these new sins? You are reading this right now on a computer that, really, you don’t need. Excessive wealth much? (I’m not saying excessive wealth isn’t a bad thing. In fact, it is by definition.)
(Just as an aside, I am aware that some of the points I’m making may not apply, depending on whether some assumptions I’ve made are true or not.)
About the sins themselves: I fully support inflicting poverty, drug trafficking, and accumulating excessive wealth (depending on the definition of excessive) being on the bad list. Environmental pollution too, although that one is a bit more context-dependent.
The others I’m not so sure about. Genetic manipulation covers all manner of…activities. It’s what happens when a guy breeds his mare to a champion stallion in order to get a talented foal. God is going to have to give us some specifics. I’m assuming what he had in mind was something along the lines of putting pig genes into humans to cure diseases, or preventing the genes for horrific childhood diseases being activated (if these are crap examples, I’m sorry – I know bugger-all about genetics), but that’s a debate for another day.
Morally debatable experiments. Again, the Devil’s in the details… I think if would be difficult to find an experiment that didn’t have some tiny element that could potentially be debated. Slavery is morally debatable, in the sense that one could debate it. But that’s being pedantic. The fact is, there will always be someone who disagrees. Especially on topics like stem-cell research, cloning, etc. This shouldn’t preclude progress. I’m not sure I used the word preclude correctly there. Oh well. If we are going to advance in science, we are going to have to start doing things without everyone agreeing. Not without a lot of thought of course, but ignoring potentially ground-breaking science because the morality involved is complicated, difficult, or challenging to religious positions would be a waste.
What haven’t I mentioned yet? Oh. Violation of fundamental rights of human nature. I’m going to leave that one out. Partly because it’s late and I’m sleepy but mostly because I don’t know what the fundamental rights of human nature are or even if there are such things (is that bad?).
I understand Bishop Girotti mentioned a few other things as well, including abortion and paedophilia. Paedophilia I think requires no discussion. Abortion I’m saving for a later post.
The seven traditional sins aren’t perfect either. In a nutshell, as long as it doesn’t harm anyone else, I don’t have a problem with any of them. I’ll try to elaborate on that in another post.
On sin in general… I find the whole concept of sin unjustified, in terms of truth, and these new ones are no better than the original seven. If someone is going to claim I risk eternal damnation every time I overeat or sleep in, I want a more convincing reason to believe them than any I’ve heard so far. Especially if they’re telling me I must ask forgiveness for sin I was born with.
Hell? Eternal damnation? Really? First, the so-called mortal sins are none of them deserving of this extreme a punishment. Or so our legal systems judge. If we really thought lust was that bad wouldn’t it at least be a finable offence? Second, I have a real problem with the idea of Hell, specifically the idea of it being forever. If eternal damnation is fictional (and I have no reason to believe otherwise), that’s really, really, really mean. There must be an awful lot of people who are living in the belief that their friends and family are in Hell and will be forever. There must also be a lot of people who are scared shitless of ending up there. It scares me just thinking about it. I take issue with Heaven too, but I’ll save that for another time.
Finally, a question: how many mortal sins have you committed today? I’ve done all seven of the traditional ones. I’m doing pretty well on the new ones though. No morally debatable experiments in my basement. Actually, I don’t have a basement.
Be great in act, as you have been in thought. Shakespeare

I like the picture, it’s pretty. If you don’t want the text to be pushed right up against it you need to add a couple of pixels worth of vertical and horizontal space around it (I normally use 3).
Hahaha I never saw the Vatican’s Secret Archives, because I referenced the stuff.co.nz site instead of the BBC, but I agree, that does sound a little suspicious!
I hadn’t thought about it from that perspective of the church wanting to improve the world! That’s a good point and it DOES sound rather noble, but I think your point is better. Simply apologising (or confessing to having done it) for something doesn’t undo what was done to begin with, so surely it’d be better for the church to use the influence it obviously has to encourage people to avoid doing these harmful things to begin with!
What I don’t understand though, is why the church’s objective seems to be getting more people to attend confession. Surely they don’t WANT to hand people more opportunities to sin, just so they can confess to it. Most likely, in the church’s ideal world – confession would be more or less redundant, since people wouldn’t sin in the first place!
Haha, thanks for trackbacking to me…I think I got some hits…and this random email telling me you’d linked to me!
My point sounds kind of petty now. Apparently I was so eager to write SOMETHING about this, that I didn’t think it through terribly well. Oh well, nevermind.
Although, your next paragraph does kind of talk about the same things as me, as far as the (apparent!) unchanging-ness of God goes. Susie always claims that God and his rules NEVEREVEREVER change to suit society and the lifestyles of the people in it…although apparently the Pope disagrees! I wonder if Brio will mention anything about this in their next updates. I hope they do, for once I’d actually LIKE to hear their view! Perhaps another email is in order!?
Poor Old Uncle Joe. I wonder if he’d still go to Hell for his excessive wealth if he died before confessing. That doesn’t seem very just, if he did not know that it was sinful! It’s not in the same category as something like pedophilia, where anybody with a brain and any morals at all – religious or otherwise, is able to figure out that it is wrong.
I also wonder how they selected the sins. If God spoke to the Pope etc and told them what to add, why was every other Christian denomination apparently excluded from this?!
Please let’s debate where we ought to draw the line with the whole pig-genes thing. I don’t know what I think!?
EVERY ACTION IN THE ENTIRE WORLD EVER is going to be morally debatable in some way, at least to some groups of people…does that mean that everything in the whole world is a sin…!?
What ARE fundamental rights of human nature? I’m going to take a wild stab in the dark and assume that they are things like the right not to be abused or murdered…and yes, they do sound like things which ought to not be violated. But isn’t abusing and killing somebody already a sin?
No. Pedophilia (how do you spell that!? Does it have 2 As…because they way I’m spelling it now is not flagged as an error with a little red line underneath it) does not require discussion, although, in her comment on my blog, Nellie mentioned all the cases of child molestation which were committed by members of Catholic clergy. Interesting.
Ooooh…abortion. Please let’s debate that. It sounds like a picnic…only not, because nobody ever agrees with me…not even Susie.
The fact that Hell is scary is important I think. What else do you think keeps people going to church!? I wonder how many people “believe” because they fear the alternative, as opposed to believing because they believe it has its own value.
You know what I think is interesting? There are a lot of articles online about/for Christians who are grieving for loved ones who were also Christians, but virtually none about grieving for loved ones who were unbelievers.
And on that cheery note, I will hit “Submit Comment”, before this beast of a thing becomes longer than your entry!
By: Holly on March 14, 2008
at 9:56 am
^ OH. MY. GOD.
Beat that, Brooke!
By: Holly on March 14, 2008
at 9:56 am
Someone’s been busy!
About the image, I did tell it to have a gap before the text but apparently WordPress liked its own way better. Maybe I should try writing posts in a different browser.
By: Jennifer on March 14, 2008
at 10:08 am
Oh ok, that’s weird! I write mine in Firefox and it works fine for me.
I wonder if Brooke will leave a comment.
By: Holly on March 14, 2008
at 12:45 pm
Yes! thank you. i’ve been asking everyone to actually list them for me but everyone only knew pollution and abortion off the top of their head. (wow. that sentence far from ‘grammatically correct’)
By: atheistgirl on March 29, 2008
at 6:27 pm
No problem
It took me a while to track down a list too.
By: Jennifer on April 3, 2008
at 12:10 pm